Thread: The "Why Was It A Single" Thread
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4th Jan 2008, 10:48 PM #1
The "Why Was It A Single" Thread
Yes. You have a dark but catchy pop nugget like "Reaching Out" on your album and you are Take That. So what do you release as a third single? The WORST, most dreary Barlow ballad on the CD! It duly flops like old tits.
You are the hippest, Welshest rock band in the land. You have at least four classic thumpers and tender ballads on your new album "Pull The Pin". You release not the gorgeous "Stone" or the headbanging "Passing The Buck" but the disposable, forgettable "My Friends" instead. It duly stalls at Number 32 in the charts.
Pop stars eh? It's obvious that WE know far better than them which singles to pick. So this is the thread to name and shame the all-time stinkers.
Just feel glad Melanie run out of money before "Protected" could venture forth as a single of doom. We hope.
Si.
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5th Jan 2008, 12:09 AM #2
It's true as day is long. Melanie Jayne Chisholm is a complete finger licker when it comes to single picking. The uplifting and radio friendly Positively Somewhere or storming Yeh Yeh Yeh to launch the second album? No, let's finger the stodgy as old porridge Here It Comes Again and ram the generic radio tat On The Horizon right up the chuff box as the second single. Who does that?!
Don't even get me started on Spice and the wretched, yet legendary, WOMAN!
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5th Jan 2008, 12:16 AM #3WhiteCrow Guest
I'm afraid I think Kylies "Better The Devil You Know", is one of the most awful, repiticious drivel I've ever heard. I'm glad she's got much better material now.
I can't even hear the phrase now without shuddering. I notice when they covered her on Doctor Who Confidential, they only seemed to use soundbites from her Crap Awful and Waterman era.
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5th Jan 2008, 8:43 AM #4
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5th Jan 2008, 9:51 AM #5Pip Madeley Guest
It's a great song, but not as good as Never Too Late or Shocked
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5th Jan 2008, 10:08 AM #6
I agree with Mr White Crow, it was such a flop!
Si.
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5th Jan 2008, 8:59 PM #7
The joyous thing about Better The Devil You Know is that Mr Stock and Mr Aitken wrote it from Jason's perspective about Kylie dumping him to go out with Mr Hutchence, and the monumental pain of waiting around for someone to come back to you because you can't cope with being without them, even if they have hurt you badly. So infact, it's Jason's song, but Kylie sings it. And it's monumental for Min, because she literally throws off the shackles of being a sweet girl next door and goes dark disco princess on the world.
Plus it's got the chunkiest, wavering, blast it in the disco, bassline known to mankind. Genius.
But, admitedly, it doesn't match Nu-di-ty on her latest album.
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5th Jan 2008, 10:04 PM #8
The video also features that old staple of 1990 pop videos, the slinky shadow of a house-piano grooving nightclub dancer amid strobe lighting.
Si.
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5th Jan 2008, 10:17 PM #9
Pulp's Help The Aged. However much I like the song, it's not a "first single from the highly anticipated new album" track, they should have gone with This Is Hardcore or The Fear.
Edit: Thinking about it, Cocaine Socialism would have been even better, but that didn't even make it on to the album somehow, and ended up as a b-side."RIP Henchman No.24."
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5th Jan 2008, 10:37 PM #10WhiteCrow Guest
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5th Jan 2008, 11:11 PM #11Pip Madeley GuestPulp's Help The Aged. However much I like the song, it's not a "first single from the highly anticipated new album" track, they should have gone with This Is Hardcore or The Fear.Edit: Thinking about it, Cocaine Socialism would have been even better, but that didn't even make it on to the album somehow, and ended up as a b-side
"This Is Hardcore" wasn't an obvious choice for single, given it's length (6 minutes 27 seconds) and the rather adult lyrics, but that made it all the more satisfying when it charted at #12 back in March 1998 (boosted by my purchase of CD1 & CD2 ). A real victory for such a great piece of music. As for "The Fear", no, I don't think so. But "Help The Aged", yes I agree, it wasn't really first single off the new album material.
For my choice of single, see the other thread.
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5th Jan 2008, 11:49 PM #12
I think the controversial element of Cocaine Socialism would have got them a lot of press, and the fact that it was such an attack on the labour government is really refreshing to me - I honestly think it would have got to number one if it had been released.
I like the idea of This Is Hardcore being the first single just because it's pretty different from anything theyd done before, plus it was incredibly lucious to hear. I too loved it that it did well in the charts as it was great to hear first thing in the morning...And I know what you mean about The Fear, but then there's something I like about really bleak songs doing really well in the charts amongst all the bland happy stuff around.
I'm not sure about Party Hard though, it's an upbeat song and likable enough, but it's never personally grabbed me as a classic Pulp song..."RIP Henchman No.24."
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6th Jan 2008, 12:41 AM #13Pip Madeley Guest
It's not classic in the way that 'Do You Remember The First Time?', 'Common People' and 'Wickerman' (oh yes!) are, but nevertheless I think if it was released first, at the right time, it could've got them that first number one.
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6th Jan 2008, 1:22 AM #14
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6th Jan 2008, 2:34 AM #15Pip Madeley Guest
Certainly not - I've got a complete back catalogue
Hardcore CD1 was excellent, with Ladies' Man, The Professional and the sublime End Of The Line Mix which I edited into the beginning of Hardcore for my own personal enjoyment. Shame that CD2 was stuff with crap remixes.
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6th Jan 2008, 12:28 PM #16
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6th Jan 2008, 1:15 PM #17Pip Madeley Guest
Oh I agree, but the Hardcore remixes were crap. Whereas (for example) the Trees/Sunrise remixes were great.
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6th Jan 2008, 5:18 PM #18
One of the greatest puzzlers of 21st century pop is why by numbers latino dance ditty "Please Stay" was chosen as the final UK single from Astrid Peth's "Light Years" album when camp anthem, fan favourite and released in Europe with crappo video "Your Disco Needs You" was not.
Presumably it was too OTT for dreary radio stations to touch.
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6th Jan 2008, 11:17 PM #19
I liked it.
Si.
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6th Jan 2008, 11:47 PM #20Pip Madeley Guest
I liked the video. As Smashie and Nicey might say, it was sexy smooth legs dressing gown-tastic.
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7th Jan 2008, 12:36 AM #21
I've read the reason "YDNY" wasn't released here was that they didn't want to stereotype her even more to the gay market!
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7th Jan 2008, 7:06 PM #22
That's what ist written in her La La La tome. I think Light Years would have made a fabbo single, not least as it was promo remixed and Kylie's said that track more than any other on the album signalled the direction she wanted to take.
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7th Jan 2008, 9:26 PM #23
Will Baker says in "La La La" that "Butterfly" was the song that led the way for the "Fever" album. Wasn't that a US single with mixes an'ting?
Who has got the "Fever" album? Why wasn't the title track the 5th single with campy hospital set video?
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7th Jan 2008, 10:00 PM #24
Butterfly was indeed a US only single. With mixes galore. Apparently the same fate of the Fever album befell the final single - Your Love and Love Affair were also fingered for release!
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9th Jan 2008, 10:03 PM #25
To add comment, in my opinion Pulp didn't release a bad single from "Babies" in 1992 (which I bought when I was 19!) 'til "Help the aged" in 1997. It was an odd choice, but a good song. "This is hardcore" is a great song, but not a great commercial single choice and they never had a top ten hit again.
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