View Poll Results: Order of Preference of the films? (Best first)
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Phantom, Clones, Sith
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Phantom, Sith, Clones
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Clones, Phantom, Sith
3 20.00% -
Clones, Sith, Phantom
2 13.33% -
Sith, Phantom, Clones
2 13.33% -
Sith, Clones, Phantom
7 46.67%
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23rd Apr 2009, 1:15 PM #1
How Do You Rank The New Trilogy Star Wars Films?
I'm currently about to finish my journey through all six Star Wars films with "Revenge of the Sith". I won't reveal my revised thoughts on the first two of the newest trilogy yet, but I'd be very interested to know what other people think of "The Phantom Menace", "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith".
Please provide votes and opinions! Do you love them? Hate them? Have you changed your mind about any or all of them since release?
Si.
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23rd Apr 2009, 1:26 PM #2
They're wretched. All of them.
Especially so Sith which is just awful. Lets consider it- there's a chase scene at the start with so many ships on screen at a time that it becomes difficult to follow to the point of inconsistency. There's the previously feisty Amadala reduced to a simpering, weak character because she's pregnant (what this says about George Lucas' attitude to women I don't even want to think about). There's the stinking, horrid dialogue. The way Count Duckula is killed off quickly and easily now that he's not important to the story... the "NOOOOOOOOO!" moment. Haydn Christianssen being the most inspid and talentless actor in the whole of the Star Wars films.... I could go on all day, but I'll spare you. Basically I don't think this is the saving grace of the new trilogy. I don't think it was good at all.
The other two are a bit better. I quite like Clones.
Si xx
I've just got my handcuffs and my truncheon and that's enough.
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23rd Apr 2009, 1:35 PM #3
Are you a big fan of the original three films Si?
Si.
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23rd Apr 2009, 1:46 PM #4
Not a huge fan. I enjoyed them, but they're not huge favourites of mine. Although I was just at the right age for them at the time they came out I never really got into them in the same way a lot of my friends did at the time. I remember watching Star Wars on the telly when it was premiered and liking it, but I never really fell in love with the films.
Si xx
I've just got my handcuffs and my truncheon and that's enough.
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:01 PM #5
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I think the problem was George Lucas took too much control of writing, producing and directing.
Attack of the Clones was the only one he didn't direct, and it shows as it's the "best" of the three.
Lucasfilm employees were probably too frightened of being sacked and blacklisted to take George to one side and say "Come on George, this is crap!" (Colin Mochare was unavailable to deliver this verdict in person sadly...)
Even another writer being on board for Clones and Sith couldn't save them.
I missed The Phantom Menace when it first came out, but I had great fun playing the Playstation game which everyone says is one of the worst games ever made!
The last half hour of Clones is fantastic. But it's too little too late as the Sports pundits put it.
Not a case of "Never Seen Star Wars", more a case of "Wish I'd Never Seen The Three Prequels."
I used to love Star Wars as well. I hope it's as simple as I just grew old. I really do.
Haven't voted as there's no "Clones Er.. That's it" option.
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:02 PM #6
I agree with Si, they're all terrible. Correction, the first 2 were so terrible that I didn't bother with Sith. And I'm a huge fan of the originals.
there's a chase scene at the start with so many ships on screen at a time that it becomes difficult to follow to the point of inconsistency
I could list all the things wrong with them but I really can't be bothered.
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:04 PM #7
Sith, Clones, Phantom for me. But it is close.
I'm a fan of the original & I think if you're not a big fan of the originals then you're more likely to dislike the latest 3.
As a related question: Am I the only person who watches these films in Chronological* order rather than the order they were made?
*I.E TPM, AotC, RotS, ANH, ESB, RotJ.Last edited by Dirk Gently; 23rd Apr 2009 at 3:07 PM. Reason: Cheers for pointing that out. ;)
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:29 PM #8
Ditto what Dirk said about the order - Sith worked for me on so many levels; though i've gotta agree PadThai was better in Clones. I just liked the mythic elements coming together in Sith more.
Oh and shouting (as Count Duckula - thanks Sim - and Anakin duel) "He think's it's all over *head comes off* It is now!" made me laugh like a drain. Maybe I'm enjoying these on all the wrong levels.
Wouldn't "Chronological" order be TPM->AotC->RotS->ANH>SWCS->SBTMP->ESB->RotJ?Dirk?Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:38 PM #9
I hated "The Phantom Menace" when it first came out - it just felt too long, and computery, like the technology wasn't quite there yet. The big droids battle feels very unatmospheric, and unmoody. Jar Jar Binks didn't work at all - he wasn't funny, and again he looked very fake and CGI. But on re-watching, I was surprised how much I enjoyed this film. It FEELS very "Star Wars" - when you start with the two lone Jedi cutting down droids, and with the Emporer controlling everything, you wonder what else you can ask for? The pod race and the destruction of the droid control station are both excellently done. Even Anakin ("Yippee!") isn't as bad as it feels he should be. I lack others adoration of Ewan McGregor (he's just a little dull really) but Liam Neeson and Samuel Jackson made good Jedi. The underwater chase is brilliant too. It's not bad, just a bit experimental and unsure of itself.
By contrast I thought "Attack of the Clones" was brilliant. I remembered it from the cinema as being (i) buttock-grindingly long and (ii) quite soppy, but aside from the silly meadow scene, it's not really a love story at all - it's a story about the transformation through anger of a man from good to evil. And this film really does have a lot going for it - the chase through the city is well down and atmospheric; the sequence where Anakin slaughters the Tuscan Village is extremely powerful; the droid factory scene is breathtaking, as is the water planet. I didn't feel as wowed by the Clone Wars scenes as the makers felt I should be on the documentary, but seeing all the Jedi fighting in the arena was another "wow, what a good idea" moment, and I loved how you saw the different strands coming together, like the birth of the storm troopers.
So aside from some ropey acting (McGreggor is a little better, but Natalie Portman is still flat; Christenson has his moments as Anakin), I thought it was excellent. Much better made than the first film, it joins all the dots and feels very exciting. Yes, I really did enjoy this one. I'm wondering now what I'll think of "Revenge of the Sith" when I see that next week.
Si.
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:39 PM #10
I haven't seen them for a while, but went for Clones, Phantom, Sith.
Sith is definitely my least favourite. When watching it at the cinema I remember feeling bored quite soon in to it, and realised why. I knew how it was going to end!
I'm surprised at the new ones being criticised for having too many ships on screen at once, haven't you seen Return Of The Jedi?
Hard to disagree with that, and it reminds me of my other thoughts whilst watching 'Sith', and why it's my least favourite. He's just so bad, and the wrong choice. When you're hanging (basically) three films on a central character, make sure you get someone who can act!“If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” - Gutle Schnaper Rothschild
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:48 PM #11
I love the meadow scene in Clones - why? Because it has giant space-llamas in it. The characters are peripheral to it. Clones is all about the space-llamas, and they deserve their own spin off series.
Not featuring Jar-Jar.Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 2:51 PM #12
I always thought they knew they went too far with Jar Jar, because he's in the whole of the first film, then gets relegated to a cameo appearance in "Clones".
Si.
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:05 PM #13
Come on, the Clone Wars are all Jar Jar's fault - he's the one that makes the vote that gets Palpatine elected.
Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:10 PM #14
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:15 PM #15
Star Wars Christmas Special and of course Space Balls the Motion Picture
Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:32 PM #16
I love Space Balls. Haven't seen it ages as my brother had it on video & i used to watch that.
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:34 PM #17
I've always fancied watching the animated series. Nearest we'll get to Space Balls 3: The Search for Space Balls 2
Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 3:48 PM #18
No hang on, just read some of the reviews of it - now I never want to see it!
Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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23rd Apr 2009, 5:21 PM #19
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23rd Apr 2009, 11:12 PM #20Wayne Guest
Sith, Clones, Phantom.
Sith is a no-brainer, but it's still more enjoyable by a mile than the other two. But then there's a lot of my favourite character, the emperor, who's by far the most deliciously evil Star Wars character by a mile. I love Vader, but even he's a bit of a pussycat by comparison.
Clones - Fairly unremarkable film, but not the worst film ever, either. Tipped just above average for me by the presence of Christopher Lee.
Phantom - Can't think of anything good to say about it. I think it's wank.
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24th Apr 2009, 7:38 AM #21
Phantom - 90 minutes of waiting for that fight with Darth Maul to begin. Other than that there's not much I ever remember about it (and only one of the 6 I've never bought on DVD!)
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24th Apr 2009, 8:26 AM #22I'm surprised at the new ones being criticised for having too many ships on screen at once, haven't you seen Return Of The Jedi?
Although what really makes it work is that there are characters on board the ships in Jedi that the audience can care about. Yes, even Admiral Ackbar!Pity. I have no understanding of the word. It is not registered in my vocabulary bank. EXTERMINATE!
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24th Apr 2009, 9:21 AM #23Phantom - 90 minutes of waiting for that fight with Darth Maul to begin.
There's the journey to Tattooine to meet Young Anakin, the pod race and the appearance of Jabba, the first chronological appearance of 3PO, the underwater chase... you might not personally think these are favourite Star Wars moments, but they're all either as visually impressive/exciting as set pieces in the original films or key to the plot.
Yes, even Admiral Ackbar!
Why hasn't Martin Penny posted his comments yet?
Si.
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24th Apr 2009, 9:46 AM #24
Nah, I sat through Phantom a few weeks back again. It wasn't quite as painful as I remembered - and I still love the Mk1 robot warriors "Roger roger"; though the best bit with them is in Sith when they deliver the jedi to Gen Grevious' bridge and wander off with a beautiful passive agressive "You're welcome..."
Plus in Phantom there's all the time Liam Gon Jin spends talking into a Phillips Lady Shave sprayed silver. A moment as suspension of disbelief puncturing as Cybermen in cricket gloves...sprayed silver. All that time with a razer and he's still got a beard mind you; maybe he lends it to Obi Wan McGregor to keep his baby soft looks? Explains the beard he's sporting in Clones and Sith.
And Steve - that bit with the SSD crashing into the Death Star II (the ReDeadening)- the sizes look all wrong - shouldn't the Death Star II look a little curved and not a flat plane?
Oh and just recalled the single worst bit of Phantom - they save the planet and Brian Frog gives them all a sparkly globe of pointlessness +1. Wow, that's just so like...meh.Creator of Doctor WHeasel and sometime political radical
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24th Apr 2009, 11:14 AM #25
In the interest of fairness, I'd more than welcome the chance to watch them again. It might be good to see them without the level of expectation or disappointment I had when I first watched them.
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