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2nd May 2010, 5:29 PM #51Maybe I'm just getting a bit too media savvy, but I'm finding the wholesale lifting of elements from other things really starting to grate me - although that extends into RTDs era too.
Si xx
I've just got my handcuffs and my truncheon and that's enough.
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2nd May 2010, 5:48 PM #52
Fair enough, I'll certainly wait and see what happens. Somehow the fate of the Universe depends on Amy marrying the poor bloke she was about to cheat on, or something. I won't say it truly feels out of place in Who until I see how it pans out, but at the moment I'm not enjoying the relationship issues aspect. Like Jon says, it belongs in Hollyoaks. But I'll shut up and see where it's going.
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2nd May 2010, 6:29 PM #53
When she counted down, she seemed to say a number around every minute (certainly no MORE frequently) but only got to five. So by that logic she had at least five minutes left when she shut her eyes, and it's perfectly reasonable that she was able to open them for ten seconds to look at the crack. The only mystery was why the Doctor seemed to think she had got less than a second left, unless he just thought the story was flagging and wanted to drum up a bit of tension.
Si.
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2nd May 2010, 6:37 PM #54
Nah she got down to 3 or 2 didn't she? You're probably right that the "more than a second" estimate was rather over-cautious, but she definitely seemed to believe it herself, and planned to only quickly open her eyes, so it's still stupid that she didn't. You could argue that the site of the crack from her childhood shocked her into continuing to stare, but then that was surely what she expected to see anyway, or she wouldn't have so desperately wanted to look in the first place.
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2nd May 2010, 6:54 PM #55
I'm pretty sure she got to 4, maybe 3, but I had the feeling the numbers were coming a bit quicker each time.
I do think that the one thing which will probably get a bit 'wearying' on repeated viewings is that in fact, the Doctor could have helped River fix the teleport to save Amy rather than do all that dramatic, edge-of-the-seat, stuff. Last night I was engrossed in the whole thing, but when you know it's coming then it just seems a bit, "Nah, we're fed up with this Amy bit now, let's get her to the flightdeck".
BTW, having avoided spoilers like the plague I really don't know, but... near the end of The Eleventh Hour, there's that momentary shot of Amelia sat on her suitcase, suddenly hearing the TARDIS noise, as if it's about to return for her (which obviously, as far as we know, it never did). Yesterday the Doctor said, "Remember what I told you when you were seven..." I'm theorising that for some reason, the Doctor has (had to?) gone back into Amy's timeline so that he did return to her when she was seven, which presumably makes the 'version' he's got travelling with him some kind of paradox. So maybe when we get to the big finale and the reveal of what's causing the cracks we'll discover that, like those pesky 22nd century guerillas, he did it himself!!!
Or not.
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2nd May 2010, 7:47 PM #56
I loved it! Hard to believe this was Matt's first episode shot!
Everything was fantastic, even River Song, who I have to admit I'm not a massive fan of.
Can't go on any longer since I'll pretty much just be talking compliments, but I just have to ask:
Anyone else notice that Moffat is essentially erasing whatever he thought was crap from RTD's series? I mean, I remember it wasn't but a few weeks ago when I brought up the whole "Cyber-King" issue with my brother to which he said, "It was Christmas Eve in Victorian London, everyone was probably drunk so they just kinda forgot about it" And I said, "That's a sh*t excuse!"
So, I'm kind of happy that Moffat is rebooting some of the open-ended issues the series had before. (And here's hoping he reinvents the Cybermen too!!)
As for the Tardis' brakes joke. . . what brakes joke? Hmm, is that a crack on my wall? Never noticed that before, I'm gonna go check it out- I'll be right back
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2nd May 2010, 7:53 PM #57
Is it me, or was Amy's bedroom the most realistic ever seen on telly? Usually, bedrooms look the least realistic of all rooms on telly, but hers really smacked of realism. Maybe it just looked like ones I've been in. Or maybe I was just wishing I'd been in hers. <sigh>
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2nd May 2010, 7:53 PM #58
Someone finds it funny:
Graham Norton has poked fun at the BBC after its "mistake" at the climax of last week's Doctor Who.
It was reported last week that fans of the sci-fi drama were furious at the appearance of a cartoon Graham Norton dancing on the screen in the final moments of the episode, to plug Over The Rainbow.
According to The Sun, the flamboyant presenter makes a 'hilarious' parody of the situation on Monday's edition of The Graham Norton Show by having a Dalek blowing his animated face off.
The Graham Norton Show, which features Karen Gillan, continues on Monday at 10.50pm.
Si.
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2nd May 2010, 7:57 PM #59
Add this to the cuffs incident that Pip refers to, and it makes you wonder; but I'm still - just about - thinking that what he told her when she was seven refers to something he said in episode one that we saw (can't think what, off-hand), that the young Amy/groaning TARDIS was just a shot of her with the TARDIS arriving in 'old' Amy's time (i.e. after her months of waiting for the Doc to come back a second time) and the the cuffs thing was just a cock up.
Or maybe it wasn't. This is Moffat's Who we're talking about, isn't it? Hmmm...
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2nd May 2010, 7:57 PM #60
Omigosh, and the ending with her literally about to maul the Doctor- CLASSIC!
Let's face it, if it was Ten he wouldn'tve minded if she was supposed to get married in the morning
Also, this episode dispels everyone else's assumptions that Leadworth isn't a real town or that it wasn't in present day 2010
Oh, what he told her when she was seven was "Everything's going to be fine", remember? He disregarded it though cos' it wasn't true.
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2nd May 2010, 9:35 PM #61
Another fantastic episode, I rated it 8/10 as I never give 10's, and 9's all but perfection. The only thing that bothered me was how Amy was saved by the transporter and the way the angels were dispatched, I'd have preferred for the Doctor to actually have done something, especially when it comes to the latter.
Other than that it was all top stuff though, it looked amazing (Adam Smith's shaping up to be one of the best Who directors ever), and I loved how dense the episode was, dealing with not only the threat of the Angels, but also the crack in time, how Amy is linked to it, and all of River's ongoing storyline as well.
Most of the parts that I love have already been pointed out, but I thought the final scene with Father Octavian was especially touching, fleshing out the character well and transforming him in to someone we ended up having a world of sympathy for.
As for the snogging thing, it doesn't bother me in the slightest personally, and I love the way Amy threw herself on the bed and basically begged for it! That said, I was glad the Doctor rejected her in the way that he did, it wouldn't have felt right for Doc 11 to shag her senseless. Though I'm sure Tennant would have...Last edited by Alex; 2nd May 2010 at 9:44 PM.
"RIP Henchman No.24."
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2nd May 2010, 10:42 PM #62
Re: the countdown, it wasn't a literal countdown. The Angels did it to make everyone afraid, not as a real indication of time. The Doctor's assessment of Amy having a second left was based on a mediscanner and his sonic screwdriver, so would be more likely to be an accurate assessment.
I did like 'oh yes, because if we lie to her she'll magically get better!'
I agree it would have been nicer if the Doctor had actually done something at the end. He could have helped River fix the teleport, he could have shut off the gravity himself to tip the Angesl into the crack.
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2nd May 2010, 10:55 PM #63Re: the countdown, it wasn't a literal countdown. The Angels did it to make everyone afraid, not as a real indication of time.
I did like the way they did her teleport - keeping the camera on her and then everything around her changed.
On the other hand, I thought it was weird how, at the start of the episode, we didn't actually see the cliffhanger resolution! Anyone else think that was odd. They were just suddenly somewhere else. Was it to save cash?
Si.
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2nd May 2010, 11:04 PM #64
Yes, Angel Bob says that they're doing it to make Amy scared. He makes no mention of it being anything to with how long she had.
On the other hand, I thought it was weird how, at the start of the episode, we didn't actually see the cliffhanger resolution! Anyone else think that was odd. They were just suddenly somewhere else. Was it to save cash?“If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” - Gutle Schnaper Rothschild
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2nd May 2010, 11:20 PM #65
Essentially when they jumped the gravity of the ship pulled them towards it. Hence they blacked out for a while since they all just crushed their skulls against a space hull!
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3rd May 2010, 12:47 AM #66
Did anyone else wonder if the Moff had listened to 'Echoes of the Protii' when some characters disappeared and the remaining ones suddenly had no memory of them??? The whole 'time un-writing' stuff could have come straight from Hart and Hunt!!!!
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3rd May 2010, 12:59 AM #67
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3rd May 2010, 1:20 AM #68
I just rewatched that bit, having been a bit confused by it at the time myself, but on rewatching it looks as if it's just meant to be a dream "old" Amy is having of sitting in her garden as a child waiting, she hears the sound of the TARDIS, and then she wakes up in bed to realise it's real, and runs outside... etc.
BUT. I did also spot earlier in the episode, as the camera leaves young Amy sat in the garden waiting the first time we see it, there is a shot of a silhoutted figure running through the house. It's clearly not the "Prisoner 42" alien or whatever it was called, as it's humanoid. Maybe it's somehow meant to be a shot suggesting the passage of time in some way, but it comes before the crossfade on the clock face shot. Might be something weird going on there... or maybe it is just the alien in human form, but it has no real reason to be in human form then as no-one is watching it at the time.
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3rd May 2010, 4:40 AM #69
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3rd May 2010, 4:46 AM #70
I did put in a reply. But I don't want to seem to be spoiling an episode others really have enjoyed, so pulled it ...
Remember, just because Davros is dead doesn't mean the Dalek menace has been contained ......
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3rd May 2010, 9:15 AM #71Yes. The Doctor asked Angel Bob why they were making her count and Bob said 'to make her afraid'.
I did put in a reply. But I don't want to seem to be spoiling an episode others really have enjoyed, so pulled it ...
Si.
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3rd May 2010, 9:22 AM #72
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3rd May 2010, 9:30 AM #73
Well it's not so much that. I just am annoyed I didn't like it as much as everyone - I know I probably just don't see some things in the same way, and I don't like the idea of just being to negatively nit-picky.
One big issue for me though. The reuse of visual elements which have been done in other films is something which just really annoys me and me alone. It's the kind of equivalent of one moment you're watching Doctor Who, then your wife comes in and changes channels on you. And for a moment you're watching the film on ITV, before switching back again.
Most people of course don't even notice or mind, but for me it's kind of particularly distracting. Maybe I just need to watch more drunk!Remember, just because Davros is dead doesn't mean the Dalek menace has been contained ......
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3rd May 2010, 2:51 PM #74
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3rd May 2010, 4:33 PM #75
Ah, I loved it when you actually started seeing the Angels move- quite impressive and creepy
By the way, the special effects and production for this series are coming in at a solid 10 for me. While Prisoner Zero was a bit dodgy, I've felt the over all look of the show has really improved and looks a lot more expensive, mysterious, and just a lot more like a proper sci-fi show. I mean, is it just me or was RTD's era a bit too bright and kitchy most of the time? And yes, Adam Smith is doing a hell of a job!
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